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4-Way Coordination: A Method Book for the Development of Complete Independence on the Drum Setx$8.78
  (21 reviews)
Best Price: $8.78
A method book for the development of complete independence on the drum set.
UPC: 029156130904
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Authors Marvin Dahlgren and Elliot Fine
By A2HNRKGZ1WIJX8 on 2001-08-12
Folks, this book is a gem for drumset development, one of the drum bibles. Exercises are thorough in exploring different permutations of hand and foot rhythmic sequences. Working this book will open up those synaptic nerve paths and program your muscle memory for every possible rhythm pattern. This is the perfect preparation for Gary Chester, Jim Chapin, etc. Even if you don't have drums, you can work this book on the drum pad while tap-dancing your feet on the floor, and you will have a rhythm vocabulary the very first time you sit down at the drums.
Not really a review -- an explaination...
By A1ACUEVPCS388O on 2007-01-10
Most reviews touch on what this book is about, I just want to add what you get
when you get it. Endless permutations of rhythms that break the
standard mold of a "normal" drummer. Forget snare on 2&4 or straight eights
on a hi-hat. The books seeks to break you down from the "normal" rhythms
of the kit and to enable you to hit linearly -- any joint at any time in any
order at any point on the kit.
But...
You don't need a drumset to work it -- all you need are hands and feet to
get better. the "score" is set out in various patterns of LH,RH, LF, RF
(left hand, right hand, left foot, right foot). So if you can't get
enough of drumming, take this on the road with you for vacations, work
trips, whatever and work on breaking the mold. The floor, your knees
and any flat surface in front of you will do for practice.
This is one of the few drum books you can literally practice from
anywhere at anytime with nothing but the book and you.
Get this one...(period)
By A3DJQO8R7G9V5T on 2004-07-19
This book has been around for at least 40 years, originally (c)1963. It is a fantastic book, with great exercises, mostly written in eighths and eighth-note tripletts. You won't be three lines into the exercises on page 4 (the beginning page of exercises, after a couple of pages in introduction and explanation), before you will find yourself doing stuff you've only dreamed of doing. You can (should) do the exercises with a metronome, forcing you to count and driving you to keep up and not despair. If you have an auto-stepping metronome, you'll find yourself playing the exercises open-close, and increasing to speeds (from the very beginning) that will surprise you. This book, like G.L. Stone's "Stick Control" is one of the all-time great books, proven many times over. And, wait until you see the pics of Dahlgren and Fine on the inside front cover...you'll never think of yourself as a geek, again. Get this one; you will not regret it--but only if you use it.
This book sets the foundation for an entirely new era of drum set artists
By A1KOE324V7O3B3 on 2005-11-18
And it came out over 40 years ago!! Some of the above reviews have apparently missed the entire point of the book to begin with. This especially applies to the gentleperson that wrote that this book only applies to hihat, snare and bass. With all due respect, this is entirely wrong. Anyone familiar w/ drum notation knows that RH, LH, RF and LF refers to limbs of the body, not drums of the kit!!! Also, the person that wrote that this book is too tough, and that the teacher also agreed...well, I'd simply advise a new teacher. This book is so far ahead of its time that in 50 to 100 years it will form the basics of how the drum set is taught from the get go. Its exercises literally are the RUDIMENTS OF THE ENTIRE DRUMSET, just like the 26 Standard Rudies are for the snare drum (2 limbs only). Alright, enough beating up the misinterpreters. Look, this book will change your life, and your drumming will merely be a symptom thereof. For 10 or 12 bucks you are getting a gold mine. People in the USA haven't seen this kind of wealth since the 19th century! Enough said.
Difficult but beneficial
By A1C7K4S2P2FGCC on 2006-06-17
like the title states, this book really helps with coordination and independence. i am not even halfway through the exercises in this book (although i have been working very dilligently) and i am throwing patterns into my playing that i never would have before. the beginning half of this book really covers playing different hand patterns over foot ostinatos, where you filly in the gaps in the foot ostinatos with your hands. its very very difficult at first, it had me very frustrated when my limbs just wouldnt cooperate. but after a couple weeks, i seem to have "broken through a wall", and now i am sight reading many of the exercises cprrectly the first time. another cool thing about it is that dahlgren forms these exercises with clear patterns in mind (i.e, keeping the ostinatos the same but moving them around in the measure and having you reverse your hand patterns over the same ostinatos) so that you could easily come up with similar exercises yourself. i highly reccomend it.
- Best book to divide you brain into 4 different loops
By A1TO5P31N72MXR on 2004-04-11
When I first saw this book and the exercises, I think that I can finish this exercises in a small time period. But when I started to practice, things weren't same as I thought. It is really hard and creative book I think. Exercises in this book is only with hi-hat, bass and snare. But it is really increasing your technique and hi-hat control if you practice slow to fast. This book is also recommended by my one of the best drummer; Danny Carey of Tool. If you are not new to drums, and want to increase your technique, this book is one of the best and you have to know that patience is very important when practicing with this book.
- 4 Way Jazz Independence: The Lost Art
By A2ZF88S1GLO2DT on 2006-10-03
Having a book like 4-Way Coordination will do nothing for you, unless of course you are willing to invest the time toward mastering each excercise contained within.
It would be impossible to speculate just how far you could go, but your playing will improve exponentially once you have mastered the incredible musicality this book offers!
To effectively and indelibly burn the contents of this book into your musical vocabulary, you would need to spend considerable time playing each bar at 35 mm on the metronome ad infinitum. Then take it up from there!
Rumour has it that this book was the main focus Tony Williams used to develope his incredible playing. Rumour also has it that Tony could effortlessly play each excercise at the highest metronome settings.
One could spend a lifetime working toward discovering every permutation and combination this book offers!
This book is a definite "must have!" Buy it now!
Dan Bodanis
Professional Drummer
wwww.thedanbodanisband.com
- Good, with a grain of salt....
By A1YU7JRVLG7UUG on 2005-08-12
First I must say that I have been using this book for a couple of weeks, and plan to keep using it. I won't rehash what the other reviewers have said...it's a really good book.
The only beef I have with it are the metronome markings. Some of them are written half note = 120 bpm, some are written quarter note = 160 bpm. I don't know if you've ever tried to play eighth note triplets between hands and feet at quarter note = 160 bpm, but I'm no robot (admittedly I'm not that great, but c'mon!). I think that some of the markings are misprints (e.g. they should be half note = 160!). So keep that in mind. Other than that, this book is really worth it.
- Couldn't get into it
By A2NALTMN1L6Z14 on 2007-05-13
I expected something different from this. I'll say up front that I'm a novice/hobbyist drummer. Having said that, the exercises here are just painful. I didn't find any particular rhythm to them, it just seemed to treat the drummer like a machine required to play right-hand, left-hand, right-foot, left-foot (assigned to no particular drum or cymbal/HH) at prescribed times. I'm impressed if you can do this, but it really helps me if the exercises sound like something in addition to building up skill.
- Better books out there
By AKD5VOR6YR8VJ on 2005-02-11
This is a very difficult and outdated book. Even my drum instructor thinks it is too difficult. There are many other more modern books out there that will accomplish the same thing. I think the only classics of the "old school books" are Funky Primer, stick control, and syncopation.
- EXCELLENT!
By A2KD5ZVDKYGSA0 on 2006-03-17
I ordered the book and with in five days it was here. I had it long before my teacher required it so I was able to be ahead of where I needed to be at my next class meeting. Will definitely order from here again. No one had carried this book for almost ten years in North Texas and I got it here with no problem. I wish all my transactions from that day went as well as this one.
- Just So You Guys Know
By A31VDAM63BP0P4 on 2005-10-30
I think this book is great for any drummer to get their coordination really going. Marv is an absolute genius, and you almost HAVE to treat yourself to his teachings. And just so you know, half note = 160 is twice as fast as quarter note = 160, and quarter note = 160 is slower than half note = 120....just thought I'd let you know.
- Good drum book
By A1Q5GNXE0MKXH on 2006-07-04
My 17 year son loves this book. It has been very helpful to him.
- Pleased
By A1LJMVMU6DVY3J on 2006-07-30
I am very pleased with my book. It is very effective for what i'm trying to achieve.
- Great Study!
By AQHSFT0J56Q2D on 2007-05-07
This book holds many challenging exercises. You first look at some of them and think "It can't be that hard." Then you try them and it is not so easy. Definately a great way to challenge your coordination and make it stronger!
- Learn how to grow four brains
By A3C2A3D2KG1F1A on 2008-10-21
There are a few books that I believe belong in every drummers library. The absolute essential books are Syncopation For the Modern Drummer, Stick Control and 4-Way Coordination. Of course there are many other great books out there such as New Breed, Accents and Rebounds and many others but these are essential.
Why is 4-Way Coordination essential? Well, as far as fluidity on the drums this book has definitely helped me the most. By the time I worked through just the first page my skill level increased dramatically. It did take a few weeks to work through the first page, I didn't just blow through it so even though this book will elevate your skill level quickly, it still takes time to really work through each exercise.
This book has helped me in all aspects of drumming. This book is focused on limb independence but the exercises will help you gain speed, off-hand development, control and fluidity. This is because each limb is exercised, the exercises don't favor one side or the other, you exercise both sides evenly.
I have heard reviewers complain that the exercises in this book don't have any groove to them. This is true, but this should not have a negative impact on the quality of this book. The purpose of this book is to gain limb independence and it definitely does that. There are plenty of books out there that teach crafty grooves, but this is not one of them and it doesn't try to be. If you can work through this entire book then you will be a MUCH better drummer, limb independence is definitely one of the keys to great drumming. Don't go in to this book expecting to learn crafty drum beats, but go in expecting you will gain so much limb independence that you will be much more creative behind the kit, which leads to crafty drum beats.
This book is definitely challenging. I believe a lot of people might give up because the author says at the beginning of this book that any proficient drummer should be able to do these exercises at the target speed (and even much faster as he says). This may discourage some because the target speeds are fast! The first exercises are 120 BPM on the half note, so on the quarter note (What most metronomes default to) that's equivalent to 240 BPM. Believe me, it's quite a challenge coordinating all of your limbs at 240 BPM, even if they are just 8th notes. People may beat themselves up and think they aren't proficient drummers. With all due respect to the author, don't pay attention to this. Start each exercise off VERY slowly and work your way up.
I work through this book one exercise at a time. My goal is to get to around 3/4 speed before moving on to the next exercise. If you try and reach the target speed before moving on then you might be working on the first exercise for months! Of course this is just me, you might be able to blaze through these much faster then I. So set a goal for each exercise, 3/4 speed, 1/2 speed - whatever - then start moving forward. I revisit each exercise every day and try to increase my speed. Once I work through a page then instead of practicing that page one exercise at a time, I practice the entire page as if it were a single exercise. This has helped me a lot. I'm sure you will find your own way to work through this book, this is just what has worked for me.
Don't give up. This book is very challenging but I believe beginners and seasoned pros can both work through it. New guys just need to start VERY slow, even if it's just 40 BPM. The hard part is coordinating your limbs, once you successfully complete an exercise then it becomes much easier to bump up the metronome - the coordination is the hard part at first. Get this book, you will be amazed how much skill you gain by working through these exercises! This book is one of my daily essentials.
- Good but can be better
By A3UI612JRJG9SP on 2007-05-07
This is a really good book to train your brain to control your hands and limbs to move separately. But it will be helpful if there's an audio CD that comes with it.
- One of the better practice books out there...
By AAXFU78OIIE1H on 2007-12-05
I like this book because you can engage it at so many different levels. It can be as noncommittal as picking a few challenging exercises and working through them slowly before each session, or it can be as involved as tackling the whole book and mastering each exercise at different tempos. The exercises are also quite fun to try master, and I found that they helped develop a framework for my own rhythms.
- Not for the beginner!
By A1TEYVA8BE3MBV on 2008-03-03
A lot of the exercises in this book have almost no groove value at all. But that doesn't mean it's not a good buy. It will do what it says. It WILL help develope interdependence with all four limbs. However, I would not throw this one to a beginner unless they had an endless supply of patience to spare. Intermediate to advanced players will grasp the concept a little better.
- Marv Dahlgren is an American HERO!!!!!
By A2OQOGG1V9C99T on 2008-09-18
I was fortunate enough to study with Marv for 18 months. He is without a doubt one of the most remarkable people to have graced this earth. If you have this book, his Accent on Accents, and Drumset Control, you will have all the books you will ever need.
The MOST remarkable thing is even in his mid 80's Marv can still play it ALL. And this is NOT an easy book. If you are serious about the drumset, don't be STUPID and get this book TODAY.
Forget jerks like Ed Soph. Marv has empowered thousands of students and has a more impressive resume than anyone reading this guaranteed.
And if you get a chance, send Marv a note thanking him for doing all the work he has done, and for giving us a chance to stand on the shoulders of giants!!
Thanks Marv!! For showing us we don't need to live on the East Coast to be GENIUS!!
Garett Heinz
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