Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit for System Builders [DVD] Reviews

• Cheaper but no Micorosoft Support

  
  By AKSVQYYMGVBZ9 on 2007-02-04
  This version of Windows Vista is the OEM version, which means that it does not come with a box or a manual, just a "Quick Install" guide. This is the FULL version of Vista but another thing that it is lacking is support from Microsoft. Because this version is intended for (as the title suggests) system builders, whoever that may be, they are the people who are supposed to provide the End User Support not Microsoft. It does, however, still include Windows Update so there do not think that you will not be getting updates from Microsoft, because you do. But if you are building a computer for your grandmother, and she BSOD's Vista, its up to you to fix it; Not Microsoft. Another difference between this version and the full 400 $ version is that this version only comes with the 32 Bit version of Windows Vista, but the full version comes with both the 32 and 64 Bit versions. So if you are pretty technology Savvy and you do not need Microsoft's support and you know what type of processor (64 or 32 bit) then the OEM version is the version for you.
  
  

• Is what it says an OEM.

  
  By ATSGH2MRQLLYR on 2007-03-19
  For the most part its been an OK transition. My recommendation is that you go slow and do your homework first. I'm running a P4, 3.2 GHZ X 800 with 1 GB Ram DDR (upgraded to 2 GB's max for this board),two hard drives, 200 GB (volume 1,2,3,) 160 GB(volume 4,bkf). I wanted a clean load so I backed up on DVD's and formated my hard drives. I chose volume 1 for the operating system alone so in case of problems I could rework it. I put all my programs in volume 2, I had all the original disks to reload if necessary(be careful with this if you have used downloaded software it often has a short time limit of downloading it again, on these I back them up to CD right away and file it for times like this). Volume 3 is for all the data, images, (my Photoshop needs space) ect. Volume 4 is an overflow for volume 3 data and all of my backup and is on a separate 160 GB internal hard drive. For me the time for this planning was well worth it. If you get it done up front it can save you hours or days later. I've learned by my errors. It is also easier and safer to back up data on 3 without having to mess with the rest and if I get a problem which is going to happen the solution is a whole lot simpler. Plus you can lock volume 1,2, in Vista and for the most part keep out all the Cyber bad guys with there Trojans and viruses. On 3, 4 the most I have at risk is the last 2 hours and I can manually adjust that if it is an important project. Vista definitely requires a lot of RAM and space. As you just have to test some programs I good registry cleaner would be a good investment I went with Registry Booster rated 5 out of 5 by Tucows and CNET and I'm happy with it at $29.
  
  The issue of software is likewise interesting, I had less problems than I expected after getting around the "tech support" at the various companies. Example: just bought a top of the line HP printer with the HP wireless printer upgrade. If you go to the HP website at this time it says come back later maybe April or May not compatible at this time. Don't believe what you read. If you push through the maze; you will find in this case a B9180 that the upgraded software and drivers are there just either no one told tech support or they did not want to be bothered. The HP wireless did not work and Amazon took it back which is why I chose to pay a few dollars more on Amazon to get items supplied directly by Amazon. If you know a little about the system you will see that most of what worked on XP with SP2 will work on Vista at least in the interim until that vendor gets an official Vista upgrade.
  
  Pros: I needed the system so I can't say that the transition from XP Pro was a must have and the additions warranted it. Although after the fact I would chose the upgrade to Vista.
  
  The installation was straight forward and by the book. No pun intended because you don't get the book with OEM. I used the Microsoft website, a bunch of forums, and a lot of prayers and found everything that I needed.
  
  Con: My opinion, you can't push the down size of their minimum requirements. You need a whole lot of CPU power, a lot of RAM access, and a good bit of storage.
  
  Many vendors are not up to speed on Vista yet and like always with Vendor tech support even on a good day you are very likely to get the wrong information. I chose not to take NO for an answer and to try my existing programs and then delete and clean the registry as necessary. Don't forget to make a backup first. Sounds dumb like first read the directions, but in this case having a backup copy you can just click on and restore is a big plus and since you can't really read the directions since it doesn't come with anything but the quick start I took a pad and pencil and planned it out.
  
  OEM means OEM, I was building a system and think that I have enough knowledge to get it done. Seems like all is well. If you don't know your computer pretty well, and you are not comfortable in using the Microsoft website, and using outside forums (especially which have good info)this might not be the path for you.
  
  I enjoy being on the cutting edge of tech even if at times I am "slightly tech challenged". Having completed the task I would do it again. A lot of Hype not as difficult as one might think.
  
  
  
  

• Disappointing...

  
  By A2BRQX4J5YDLB on 2007-02-20
  As a windows fan, all my hyped feelings were gone after 10-day test drive of this ultimate edition. My current system is P4 3.2GB, 3GB DDR, ATI All-in-Wonder X800, and Creative Audigy 2 Plantium.
  1. CPU usage is up to 90% using Aero glass and IE7 opening at the same time, despite 3GB of memory in the system.
  2. ATI driver isn't fully compatible yet, the screen sometimes looks horrible after the system waking up from the sleep mode.
  3. Music plays are constantly paused due to the high CPU usage & beta sound card driver.
  4. Receiving Blue Screen twice with no solution found.
  5. Horrible unicode reading from Windows Media Player 11.
  
  
  

• Not Ready For Prime Time

  
  By A3ESWJPAVRPWB4 on 2007-12-08
  I am a CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+ Certified Technician and a Microsoft Certified Professional working in the industry for over ten years and I have professionally supported and personally owned and used every Microsoft Windows Operating System since Windows for Workgroups version 3.11 and this release of Windows is by far the least worthy comparatively speaking. I actually returned my copy back to Amazon since (although my hardware passed the specifications before buying Vista based on tests done through the Microsoft Site) too many of my gadgets and their firmware / softwares, such as Gaming Keyboard, Gaming Mouse, Joystic, Data / Voice Fax Printer, and so on had Driver issues. I must be honest here and admit that my system developed other issues after the installation of VISTA that may not necessarily be attributable to the Vista OS but never the less the system had major Driver and Firmware issues with other industry standard and modern (Post 2003) hardware peripherals. I may try it again some time next year when I purchase it as a preinstalled part of a Laptop or something but for the time being I had no time or patience and willingness to come home from working on supporting computer problems and work on solving problems caused by Vista.
  
  In the end this WIndows version does have some redeemable qualities (IIS 7 is a blast) and I imagine that there are some home built custom PCs and some DElls and HPs (both of which I have also supported VISTA Driver Issues on for commercial clients) that don't remind one of the first release of Windows 95 or Windows ME (lots of Blue Screens and Lock ups), but by comparison to XP Pro edition, which was almost completely stable and played really well with others from release 1, this release of Windows is Not Ready for Prime Time and I do not recomend it, especially for custom PC builders using OEM Hardware and Software and for beginning users.
  
  

• A pretty good update

  
  By A34F10OJTJPD29 on 2007-03-26
  I installed Vista Ultimate OEM on my Dell XPS laptop with minimal trouble. The basic install had drivers for almost all of my hardware. The drivers for the nVidia graphics aren't the greatest, there are some screen flickers when opening some programs/windows that didn't go away after installing the latest driver. Also, I've had the screen lock up and display only multicolored lines when restarting a paused DVD. I'm pretty sure that this is an issue with nVidia's drivers and not Vista. Hopefully this will be fixed when a newer driver becomes available. My only other real complaint is the lack of support in 3rd party utilities, particularly firewalls. These issues aside, Vista seems pretty stable and to be more secure than XP. The interface is pretty nice, with many small improvements. If you aren't buying a new computer right now or absolutely need to have the newest thing, waiting till Microsoft issues Service Pack 1 for it may be a better option. Hopefully most vendors will have better drivers and better program support by then.
  
  
• Love Vista Ultimate
  By A3BVB5N2H8C4GT on 2007-02-24
  Even though a few drivers are not up to pace yet Vista works great with Intel D845GVSR Micro Board and I have discovered that indeed one can install a PCI Video card and just set the BIOs for PCI instead of Integrated. Right now I'm hoping to find a Video Card that supports DirectX 10 and with WHQL Logo for Windows Vista Drivers that aren't too expensive, so if someone finds a good one, let me know please. I don't know how perhaps leave a review yourself.
  PS: Brand is not important. Reliable, steady, well made is where it's at for me.
  Thanks in Advance.
  
  
• Surprised to find that Vista is actually stable and very nice
  By AESPLVBQJCNC7 on 2007-11-23
  After having read a lot of reviews on another "egg"cellent site, I was afraid that I would dislike Vista either for incompatibility or the sluggishness of it. I was bracing myself for the worst, but very pleasantly surprised to find that on my clean install, everything worked perfectly. Vista seems much more "automated" than XP and found all the drivers for my hardware automatically from the web. After the very easy install, which by the way, unlike XP, uses a graphical interface, I began to reinstall my software. I chose the 32 bit version of Vista because at the time of this review (Nov '07), Apple's iTunes v7.5 was still not compatible with the 64 bit version of Vista due to a programmer's bad judgment in creating a "hardpath" to a 32 bit Windows file. Evidently, this type of program is unlikely to see an easy fix to 64 bit compatibility.
  
  My software all installed without any problems, including Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements, PC-Cillin 2007, Fidelity Active Trader Pro, Sony Picture Browser with AVCHD Player, and of course iTunes.
  
  Vista is just simply gorgeous when compared to XP. I was a hardcore Apple fan since 1979, having used the Apple //e, Mac SE, Mac IIci, and original Apple PowerBook 20 MB HD. Since I haven't used Apple's OS extensively since the System 7.1 days of the 90's, I can't compare it to the current Apple OS Leopard. I have heard that Vista has taken (i.e. stolen) a lot from Apple's OS X. In any case, Vista is just simply beautiful when compared to XP. It's quite obvious that the graphics for even the windows are rendered with my graphic's card's 3D engine.
  
  As for security, I am uncertain if it is any more secure than XP, but you will probably all want to turn off the "UAC" which is an amazingly annoying feature in Vista where almost any action causing a new file to be installed to be verified by the Vista user. It is really quite amazing that Microsoft actually thought that any user would actually leave this feature on. It's almost something Microsoft would do to just cover their behind by telling a user that it was their fault if their computer was violated if they had turned off Microsoft's "recommended" safety feature. It is utterly the worst obvious feature of Vista, but thankfully, very easily can be turned off.
  
  Regarding hardware, I have a self-made PC with an AMD FX-60 (2.6 gHZ dual core socket 939 cpu), 3 GB RAM (latency 2.5), DFI LanParty UT nF4 motherboard (NOT overclocked), and XFX 7900 GT GPU. This used to be a fairly mid-high end PC about a year ago, but far from it currently. Intel's quad-core CPU's are just tremendously faster (and ridiculously cheap). The DDR2 RAM is also sickenly cheap nowadays.
  
  Why did I list all the hardware specifications that you think only a techno-geek would be interested? Because it's important that you understand that Vista is a much more "active" OS and requires a dual or quad-core CPU. Vista even does a hardware check and gives individual ratings for your CPU, RAM, video, and hard drive. It is thought that in the future, 3rd party software written for Vista will not just state what minimum hardware is required, but give specific ratings on each of those components. This way, you can check to see in a very clear manner, if your specific computer can run a piece of software.
  
  One very last important consideration, is the decision to purchase this OEM "system builder" Vista vs the "retail" version. The "retail" version costs almost twice as much as the system builder OEM version. Unlike the past OEM version of XP, you CANNOT re-install the OEM Vista (32 or 64) on more than one PC (as defined by its motherboard). In other words, if you purchase this systembuilder version, install it. Then in 1 year, by another faster computer, you cannot re-install this single copy of Vista onto the new PC, even if you delete the old copy. The "retail" version allows you to transfer your copy to a newer PC and costs a lot more consequently. The "retail" version also provides you with both a 32 bit and 64 bit installation. Although you get only 1 key and thus can only have either 32 or 64 bit installed (but NOT both), you can switch from the 32 bit to 64 bit version later as you upgrade your hardware or for whatever reason.
  
  I am quite pleasantly surprised by how easy I was able to install Vista and by how fast it runs on my PC. I recommend that you back up all your information before your install, and do the "clean" install, rather than the upgrade. Also, although you can keep your XP on a separate drive or partition and dual boot with Vista, there is a known problem with confusion that occurs with vanishing files important for Windows to perform a RESTORE operation. But, if you use 3rd party software to back up your drives (disk imaging), then dual booting with Vista and XP is a nice option. (Remember, to dual boot, it is tremendously easier to first have XP installed 1st, then install Vista later. If you have Vista 1st, and then add XP, it is significantly more difficult and requires some technical knowledge.)
  
  Sorry if this review is somewhat rambling, but another "last point". Vista uses RAM in a very different manner from XP. Vista will try to have your frequently loaded files ALWAYS LOADED. Studies at Anandtech show that Vista must have a minmum of 1 GB to just be functional. At 2 GB, there is a DRASTIC increase in real world application speed. 3 GB also gives a big performance boost over 2, but not as drastic as going from 2 to 3 GB. Should you get 4 GB RAM, which is the theoretical limit of the 32 bit version? I would say probably not. Because of a strange technical problem, Vista 32 bit will only access 3.5 GB and not the full 4 GB. If your finances will not permit the purchase of more RAM, then Vista does offer a method for you to use your USB flash drive, believe it or not. Just plug in (up to 4 GB usable) your USB flash drive, respond to Vista's request to utilize it, and it will try to use your USB flash drive rather than your hard drive when virtualizing RAM to speed up your OS.
  
  Good luck to all. I certainly was afraid of upgrading after reading so many mixed reviews and knows that it will always take a little "courage" to go and upgrade before Service Pack 1 is out.
  
  
  
• Crime Up On High
  By A26YPNK2AZZZRL on 2008-02-02
  Windows Vista has many features which could have been accomplished with Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP... It appears with the appearance of Vista, Microsoft is desperate, and to me, the use of this useless software violates my Constitutional Rights and I'll try to be brief in explaining why;
  
  1. The FDA supposedly inspects every Prescription Drug on the Market -10
  
  2. Microsoft is building data centers and coincidentally the FBI is building a Billion Dollar Data Center, Patriots Act comes to mind. We the People of a Free Country are treated as Terrorists. -10
  
  3. Ole Billy Boy Changes the definition of what is Oral and Bleep Bleep. A slap on the hand is apparently sufficient. Hillary scams people with Swamp Land and screws up Health Care, has the DoRights take the rap and runs for the Presidency. -10
  
  4. The current President was a member of the Skulls, really auspicious in nature, New age Masons. Continues the Hunt of Bin Laden which is Futile since Bin Laden is in the service of the CIA. -10
  
  5. Gates started out in his garage, dropped out of College and in the time screwed over partners. So much for the Intelligence Level of supposed Harvard Graduates... RFID -10
  
  6. If you actually commit a supposed crime, which I don't, what do you think will happen? Boing, Slammer, Boing. -10
  
  The List goes on.......
  
  
  Microsoft committed plagiarism, copyright infringement, piracy, so forth..... The internet and the Software is open source in nature and is thus considered Public Domain. We buy the food, we eat the food, it is ours. Vista or any other software can have all the Eye Candy it wants but it still does not change the fact that XP, linux, OSX, etc. is still far superior. How many Politicians and Flunky Corporate Dogs so forth were threatened and/or paid off to allow such Crap on the Market and now Microsoft wants to bring the Corporations together to help the Poor and Feed the Hungry, if it's with Vista, they'll definitely starve to Death.
  
  Installed Vista on many computers and bought a copy, other than from Microsoft, and will never install. The Schill thought of having such crappy software on my computer, brrr a cold day in Hell.
  
  Why has parts of my review been edited. Microsoft Windows Vista implements Spyware within their products and restricts full use of their newest Operating System. The sections edited by Amazon were relevant within the Review. I bought the product and I should be able to review how I see fit.
  
  "How much more of this eves Dropping supposed technology is going to be put onto the Market. Might as well Invoke Martial Law. I am waiting for the Second Great Depression with Open Arms than to use Microsoft Windows Vista. Technology for Freedom? Freedom over Technology? This is not strictly with Microsoft but since the subject is up which person and/or persons do you believe will be glancing through their Great Windows upon the Public Domain AKA Private Living Rooms, Bedrooms, Bathrooms... If they want to change the Definition atleast keep it out of our Living Quarters. This is our Land, Country, Homes, and yet ignorance follows few in restricting the Freedoms in which we work and Fight for.
  
  Intelligence comes in many forms and Crime Up On High requires no form of Intelligence. I am now waiting for the Dark Room with a BlindFold." Just to add Steve Jobs Restricts the full use of the Mac so it's to Linux we go.
  
  One other thing; OOXML should not be allowed as a standard format unless Microsoft opens their Source Code to the Public Domain. Not to be abused but to be used for development and advancement but not under Microsoft's watchful eye. I betcha if and when the source code is opened Microsoft will be liable for many more infringements than any other corporation, hint, hint, "Enron"
  
  
• Don't buy it
  By A8LIC48AXFIZB on 2008-02-05
  I bought the windows vista upgrade version. Save yourself the trouble and don't upgrade. The software created tons of problems and is no good in fixing them. Wait for the non beta version.
  
  
• Always Buy OEM
  By A676CIP2GM2B9 on 2007-07-12
  Again Vista is another reason why you should always look for OEM deals. It's even better that Microsoft lifted the restriction of having to buy OEM software with a piece of hardware.
  
  

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